Posted by Chris Geiger on October 09, 19101 at 21:09:31:
In Reply to: True Love posted by Stander in the Gap on October 06, 19101 at 11:12:22:
What really hurts me is when people, and I'm going to be quite frank only as not to beat around the bush, who go around saying gays are automatically evil-hearted, evil-minded and horrible heartless people. They go home the same day to thier loved one, a person of the opposite gender and screw them crazy.
They can go home and push thier sex organs till they can feel them any more, and feel good in it. Why? Well "because I'm doing it with a person of the opposite gender."
They automatically think we are all promioscous adulterers as the Bible portays all homosexuals. "as defilers of themselfs" meaning that we have NO LOVE, NO REGARD FOR HUMAN REALTIONSHIPS, NO FEELINGS, AND NO HEART.
I know you feel you are trying to save someone from falling off a cliff, but understand this:
If you forbid us to love, hug, kiss, or have an intamite relationship, then forbid yourself the same. Do unto others as you would have others do unto yourself.
You have to understand that people NEED people. People NEED intamacy. With sexuality, something that IS a part of you, you can not just say fine, I'll leave.
Leave where?
A lot of us have life-long partners whom we pledge our undying love to, whom we pledge our commitment. How would you like it if your mom, just to put things in perspective, told you, "Honey I'm going away, and you'll never hear from me again, and I could never really be you mother. I can never love you as your mother again. Because God told me to throw myself away from you, because that's what he wants."
Would you like your mother to do that to you? Could you even imagine your mother doing that?
I've seen what happened.
To a striaght couple, very dear close friends of my family with two children. Thier mother had a pulling so strong that she left her family behind to serve God completely.
Her husband, a very loving, very caring man -- he helped raise me, I grew up with him. I saw his life crumble and fall apart in his hands. I saw his two children lost and confused, sad and afraid.
I work at the local grocery store. I see him and his children every week. The glow in his smile comes with a tear in his soul, 3 years later. It reminds him of the times when him and his wife went to church. He always makes meetings with me brief, and he tries so hard to be cheerful as a now single father. It was like his wife DIED.
Now I ask you, would you do this just for morale obligation, which may or may not be what God wants?
Is it ok and justifiable to betray the people you love, to stab them in thier back, and to pull the carpet up from underneath thier world -- to psycologically commit suicide to yourself, and murder to the ones you love, all for an inkling to "get right with God" and to live a life of loneliness and emptyness?
It's not as easy like turning off the TV or shreading up dirty magizenes.
It's mass murder to fuck over the people of your life to go on a suicide mission on a lonitic crusade.
I've gone nutz before because of religion, I decided to keep my ground because my life and everyone who cared about me would be destroyed if I were to do that, and I will not let that happen.
If Jesus were here and asked me to come follow him, then people would understand, and know that I am in good hands. But He lives only in our hearts now. And my heart can not build a roof over my head. My heart can not shell out the $20,000 I need to pay off my student loans.
No one gets paid in this world for having a good heart. NO ONE.
Thier rewards are in heaven, not here.
So I will not grow bitter towards God. I will not grow cold to my lover and partner in life. I will not betray my family. I will not turn my back on the people that I love.
For as God doesn't turn His back on us, we shouldn't turn our back on anyone. We are human, we are flawed. God judges us on judgement day like this: "You will be judged on how you judge others and to the same degree you judge them, it will be judged upon you."
Which proves if your heart is bitter and cold, then so will your judgement. If your heart is loving and warm, so is your judgement.
Why God would hate people who respect relationshps, who respect love and care, why would God send loving people to hell?
Do I shoot my dog for digging a hole? No, I pick him up, carry him out and say, I wish you wouldn't do that. Wash him off, and send him to bed.
Just please TRY to put yourself in our shoes. We are just like you. We love just like you. We don't critisize your relations, why do you critisize ours?
I can understand prostitution, rape, promiscuity, things the bible addresses, however the bible doesn't address commited relationships, aka marriages. It only blesses them.
What higher relationship can you have with someone than a marraige? The promise of undying love and affection, just like Christ married not the Church, but all of mankind. By promising to love and to hold, in sickness and in health, till death due us 'part.
I'm not going alone in this screwed up world. And I'm not going to have intamacy with the opposite gender. For me to do that you be for you to have intamacy with the same gender. Unthinkable, unconciveable, sick, revolting.
I don't think anything of the opposite gender as so much you do the same. Yet I still love and worship Christ, still we are at odds with each other. Why fight over who we love? We both love Christ, we both want to live in his instruction. So I love this person, you love that person. The only difference is sexual genitals, which is such a WORLDLY thing. I love the spirit in a person, which is a SPIRITAL thing.
The body will pass away. The genitals will die and decompose. However the spirit will live on forever. And I see all people, male and female as spirits. These are the only things on this world that will carry on to the next. These are the treasures in heaven: TRUE FRIENDS.
So why condemn each other on such a worldly issue when you are making it a spiritual issue? I see no issue at all. A spirit is a soul, and when I die and get to heaven as my soul, I will be one with God, and one with all. Sexual feelings do not exist in heaven. Unless there is sex as spirits, which there is no mention, thus no consern in the Bible for.
Jesus said that all laws are build on two things.
Love one another, and Love God. And I think that at the end times it comes down to two very simple concepts:
Did you truely love and search for God?
Do/did you love others?
To sum up Jesus' life: "Can't you bullies just knock it off and get along with each other? Dad's sick of you guys killing each other and running rampid! Now you're going to kill me for saying that -- just remeber I told you so!"
Just get along and accept people for who they are.
Jesus said win souls, as in blessed are the peace makers and cursed are those who cause dissention.
Make peace, have people understand that barbaic behavior and brutality is not the way to run things. Things should be run in love, peace, and understanding.
God made the rainbow, a spectrum of colors, a diversity of the light, the truth in all aspects of life.
Have peace. Make peace. Peace out.
Chris Geiger
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