Posted by X on June 28, 19102 at 23:33:28:
In Reply to: 50's propoganda still lives on today posted by Chris Geiger on June 28, 19102 at 11:04:25:
Chris,
I enjoyed reading your post very much; I found it quite interesting. I do not normally read any material from Focus on the Family because, quite frankly, they are clueless. It is interesting that the anti-gay movement must always select cases where the "gay" person has been sexually abused and say that sexual abuse is the origin of homosexuality. Hhhhhmmmmm, what about the thousands upon thousands of gays who have not been sexually abused and are in perfect mental health? Focus on the Family can't respond to that so they exercise selective hypocrisy.
I find it quite foolish of Dr. Laura to say homosexuality is a biological disorder. Disorders and diseases impair the functioning of the organism or causes subjective distress. Homosexuality does not cause distress nor does it impare the functioning of the organism. Dr. Laura should pubically apologize for her insensitive, ignorant, and insulting remark. She might as well say people with a different skin color than her are biological disorders (maybe she's actually lesbian and hates herself for it?).
I found a similar tactic to the one you pointed out.... I was reading an article that shows that some gays have been killers... however what the article does not state is that less than ONE PERCENT of gays are killers!
I could use the same tactic and say that heterosexuals are child molesters since nearly ALL cases of child molestation are by heterosexual males. I could say that means staights are child-molesters; after all, that is the exact same logic the anti-gay movement is using- but their dishonest logics and tactics are being exposed, and I will continue to help the fight for equal rights for all of God's children.
Anyways, try not to get too worked up by the Focus on the Family Material; they are not worthy of taking up your time
God bless,
X
: I am on Focus on the Family's mailing list.
: I sometimes hate myself for this because it is like asking them to send me self-destructive self-hate material. But I can not hide the fact of what drives people to be what they are. So I like to keep up tabs on what the political-religous propoganda machines are stirring up now.
: I just got this in the mail today and I threw it away before I was even finished with the first page. Why? Because I could immediately see it as a POLITICAL PLOY and a manipulative letter for people to BUY A BOOK to look for the rest of the answers. What a coincadince that the book was by the same person of the letter!
: http://www.family.org/docstudy/newsletters/a0021043.html
: As I read this letter I was thinking a lot of things were very strange about it. First thing I knew this letter was edited and words were added to it.
: Second of all there are very (mis)leading footnotes to try to highlight to the reader the inherent sin in what this kid is doing and to try to convince the reader that these types of behaviour is a pre-courser to homosexuality.
: I have added my own comments to this noted by **
: to help show you what I think is going on. The first half is written by Dr. Dobson discusing his unsuccessful intervew with Larry King. I will let you read that for what it is for contexual porposes. The second half is a letter from a 13 year old boy discussing certain behaviour and sexual couriosity. Remember when you were 13 or when you began adolecance, heteros and homos alike, did you do anything to fancy that couiosity? Of course you did.
: Dear Friends:
: June greetings to you! This is a busy month, as spring gives way to summer and many families begin piling in their cars to take that long-awaited vacation. It's also the month in which we celebrate Father's Day—an observance that, while largely fueled by greeting card companies, nevertheless provides us with an excellent opportunity to recognize the importance of a father in the lives of his children. Indeed, the scourge of divorce, broken homes, and even busy schedules have deprived millions of children of a father's critical presence in their lives. My prayer is that, beyond simply setting aside a day to recognize fathers, our culture will once again embrace and promote fatherhood and its irreplaceable role in the lives of the next generation. Because good fathers play such a vital role in the development of healthy sexual attitudes in children, and because the absence of fathers can be detrimental to them, I want to devote my letter this month to the subject of sexual identity in kids and the forces that influence it.
: And that takes me back to March, when I was a guest on the Larry King Live program. During that hour-long interview, Mr. King asked me several brief questions about the origins of homosexuality. *origins of homosexuality - remember that for latter* I commented briefly that, while individuals are not born with this condition, neither do they typically choose it. *what do you mean typically? are there some un-typical individuals that do NOT CHOOSE homosexuality?* Unfortunately, our conversation then veered all over the map and Mr. King never came back to ask me the obvious follow-up question: "Then what does cause a person to be attracted to the same sex?" *obvious discontent that he did not fully answer the origins. Was thier interview to be completely on homosexuality?* Consequently, we have received a number of letters and phone calls here at Focus on the Family from confused viewers asking me to clarify the point I was making. I will try to do precisely that in this letter. *Using a specific case as a pre-couser to all. Blatant sterotypiing*
: Chapter 9 of my latest book, Bringing Up Boys, provides a definitive explanation, I believe, regarding the origins of homosexuality. *SALES PITCH as his fulfilment to answering the question that he did not answer on Larry King. Had he have had the chance would this malling have been nescicary?* Let me quote the following excerpts, which should be of extreme importance to every parent who is raising one or more boys. *MASS MARKET, attention grabber* I pray that this discussion will be helpful in that context. *Using God to help pitch this sales to all parents with boys* (Note: because this chapter in its original form runs more than 8,000 words, the passage that follows represents only the issue of "origins and prevention" of homosexuality. Some of you may want to track down a copy of Bringing Up Boys to obtain the full text.)
: *Does this piece of steak sound tasty? Is your moral concious on guard now? Then go out and 'obtain a copy' BUY the whole steak*
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: The letter that begins this excerpt contains some disturbing expressions from a 13-year-old boy. Please read with discretion.
: *We are always polite and warn you if there is 'morally objetionable material'*
: *remeber my post about these guys taking a specific bad example to spread among all. Like highlighting the bad apple to describe the entire bushel of apples*
: The Origins of Homosexuality
: A few years ago, I received the following scribbled *scribbled makes it sound more desprate* note from a very troubled youth. *highlight that scribble!* He wrote:
: Dear Dr. Dobson:
: I've been putting this off for a long time so I'm finally writing you a letter. I am a thirteen year old boy. I have listened to your tapes [Preparing for Adolescence] *that was added**SALES PITCH* but not the complete set. I did listen to the one on sex though.
: Getting to the point, I don't know if I have a serious problem or a passing? (I don't know the word for it). All through my life (very short)*added to focus on the youthfull innocence no doubt* I have acted and look much more like a girl than a boy. When I was little, I would always wear finger nail polish, dresses, and the sort. I also had an older cousin who would take us (little cousins) *added to replace names probably?* into his room and show us his genitals. * using an abuse case to make a generality on all homosexuals* I'm afraid I have a little sodomy in me. *how's a 13 year old know sodomy?* It was very hard for me to write what I just did. I don't want to be homosexual but I'm afraid, very afraid. That was hard to write too. *highlighting pain. Grown ups just love sympathy youth stories. $$* Let me explain further.
: Through my higher grades in school (I'm in seventh grade) * was added* kids have always called me names (gay, fag etc.) *that too*, and made fun of me. It's been hard. I have masturbated (I guess) * you guess?* but gone too far. When I was little (not that little) * context of a couple years* I tried to more than once to suck my own penis (to be frank) *sorry to add the 'p' word folks*. That sounds very bad and looks even worse to read it. *really sorry to use that word* I pray that nothing is wrong with me.
: Very recently I have done such acts as looking (maybe lusting, I pray so hard that I wasn't) * got them hooked, add LUST to the catagory to highlight the SIN* at myself in skimpy underwear. Whenever I wear it I feel a like sexual sensation. * this boy italian, or is that a typo?* Yesterday in the bathroom (in front of the mirror) * highlight the self-pornogaphy*, I wiggled my body very rapidly, making my genitals bounce up and down. *make it shine!* I get a little bit of that feeling mentioned above as I write this. After I did this, I immediately asked forgiveness of God, went in the shower but did it again there. **feel guilty then do it again? hmmmm* I prayed more and felt very bad. I talked with one of my pastors and told him at that point I probably preferred a man's body over a woman's. Now that was hard to say! He said he didn't think anything was wrong with me (I don't know how else to say it. He apparently thought it was passing) **Forgive the church official for not knowing so soon. He thought it was 'a passing'** sexual **man that was a long break for just one word. more proof that they added words**, but I feel very badly and want to know why. **IMBREADED SELF HATE** The pastor mentioned above is one I go to for advice very often. **I really love God. So I go to someone who knows God as well for advice on God.**
: About my spiritual life; I came to Christ only about a year ago but have grown very much. I have also done lot's wrong. **guilt over past sin. A lot of people feel this at times when they come to Christ. I know my cousin did. But was glad when he knew in his heart Christ loved him** I am a Mennonite. What denomination are you? I have been baptized and am well liked in the church (I think) **really he is, but Dobson strikes this as odd as homosexuals shouldn't be liked. So he poises it as questionable that he is liked in that church**. I'm afraid if I am not straight (that's much easier to write) ** Why is that easier to write than anything else? because Dobson is propoganding that anything anti-gay is easier and better** I will go to hell. **that wasn't hard to write?** I don't want to be not straight. I don't try to be not straight. I love God and want to go to heaven. If something is wrong with me, I want to get rid of it. **nice finish putting being straight and going to hell easier to write than fansing himself in his underware. Great sales pitch to make people a little paranoid on how this behavior leads to, and what every parent should prevent thier children from doing.**
: Please help me.
: Mark
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: ****Remember Mark has been tramatized by his older cousin, which I think has done more to Mark then just 'show' them his genitals. How strange is it for mark to take a complete charecter turn in the last paragraph. Mark states his comfort with homosexuality or 'not straight' but at the same time knows he's different and maybe 'not right' with his feminine personalites. Woman in a man's body syndrome? Mark doesn't state that he insists on being a woman. He seems comforable with his body. Yet there is a surge of anti-gay propoganda making him feel guilty for being comfortable with himself.
: Dr. Dobson's sales pitch for his tapes, and the boy's mention of the tapes tells another story.
: Mark was listening to the tape collection. Mark states he is partaly complete with the collection, but something stoped him.
: He feels guilty and hate towards himself now. Why now when Mark is completely fine with who he is? Because the tapes made him feel that way as a cause of his cousin's posible molestation (I know there's something more there that Mark is not telling).
: Flags raise like heck when I see when and why Mark wrote this letter to Dr. Dobson.
: To break this letter down to all simplicity.
: Dr. Dobson, I am hurt.
: I've been feeling hurt for a while, but finnaly raised the courage to write you. I picked up your tape on adolecance and sex. That is when I became concerned. Because you say what I feel inside is wrong.
: As I look back I can tell when I started having these feelings. My cousin did things to me and my others in my family.
: But even before that I wanted to have a boy rather than a girl.
: I started fantasising and doing things. I played with myself. All the things you said in those tapes that were wrong. Now I feel bad.
: I really love God and everyone in church likes me.
: I went to my pastor, whom I trust. He doesn't say there's anything wrong with me. I don't feel anything wrong with me. Why do you say there is something wrong with me? If there is something tell me.
: ****sometimes we have to read between the lines to see what people are really trying to say.
: And sometimes people, even orginizations like to take advantage and hijack a religion to further thier cause. We all know that from 9/11
: It's sad to find out a child's cry for acceptance from Dr. Dobson when he finds acceptance from everywere else.
: This is how these orginizations work. They play people's fears and morals to make them feel like they are doing themselfs a favor by supporting them. When they do a lot of things good. I think they like to over-generalize homosexuality. They know it's a hot-topic on everyone's mind. And the public reaps it.
: The public, like Mark, look at these Orginizations as if they have some kind of authority in the church. When they do not. They act as if they are authortive in the name of the church, but they do not have any authority in the church at all. Only in the political arena do they have any sence of authority because people and churches back behind them. Back behind what people believe, sponsor the orginiation, you have all thier followers and all thier votes.
: That's politics people. That is where the church is heading and a lot of it has already. They play people's beliefs to push the almighty buck.
: Unfortunately it comes a a horiible price because these orginizations are the government's ad council on religion.
: I urge you to sign up for thier newletter. It is painful at times because in almost every one there is an anti-gay clause in there that strikes fury and rage inside of me. It also sirs up a lot of pain, things I do not need in my life to keep the peace so to say.
: But it is real and what they ask for and do is real as well. And it can not be ignored and it can not be put aside because it does happen.